27. Stylist Soul Tribe Conversation with Lisa Huff: Interview with Sarah Swift

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Transcript

Sarah Swift 0:10

Welcome back, beautiful mamas. Today's episode is actually Lisa Huff from Stylist Soul Tribe Conversations. She interviewed me this summer, and I'm going to share our conversation. As Lisa and I recently had another podcast recorded together, she's a guest on my show, and you will be hearing that soon. I thought you would really enjoy this conversation that we had And interestingly enough, it is coming during the time of Virgo energy. That's the energy that we've entered, and it's an interesting time right now because we're all feeling the energy of Virgo. It's not just people that were born in that period. So the energy of Virgo is very grounded, analytical, and service-oriented, and with that, practical execution with sharp mental clarity, refining systems, and organizing daily routines, also offering healing support. The one that I thought was really interesting was sharp problem-solving intellect, and you will hear a little bit more about this in the conversation today. But all of these are resonating deeply with me right now. I don't know if you're feeling it, but I'm gonna do a separate episode coming up on this. I'm feeling the need to simplify again, to deeply purge and organize. The kids will all be back in school soon, and the busyness of summer fun will change, and it will be a little bit more structured for most of us. I'm going to utilize that energy this year to simplify and to really look at the things that I want to refine. And I think it's really interesting because when I had a conversation recently with someone that said, "I can't be in your group," meaning because she's not a salon owner. But she certainly would benefit from being in my community and has a lot to share with others. And although she is not a salon owner, I do want to put out there, I am available for one-on-one. And salon owner business mamas are my expertise. However, I do welcome others in service industries and other moms that are business owners, as the multiple hats that they all wear would benefit from not only others in my community, but can bring some new ideas to the table, and it is about support. And my program is really about building a strong foundation with the five spiritual pillars, and it does include basic practical things in an order that's going to really make sense. I do go deeper into that in today's podcast episode when Lisa interviewed me. So if this is something you're interested in, you will learn a little bit more in this episode. However, feel free to DM me at timewithsarahswift on Instagram, or simply email me. Reach out. My website contains everything you need. You can sign up for my program right away. You can join my private moms community You can start by just grabbing my freebie, and that is all on my website at theintegrativemotherexperience.com. Enjoy this episode.

Lisa Huff 3:51

So friends, welcome back to Stylist Soul Tribe Conversations. I am joined today by Sarah Swift, a new friend of mine that I connected with. Again, a name that I, and a face that I feel like I've seen around for years in the Thrivers community. But Sarah and I were sat at the same table at X Club Retreat. Similar, Michelle was just on my podcast, so similar to the conversation with Michelle. Sarah helps salon owner mamas desiring more time, integrating joy, and experiencing fulfillment in their lives and their businesses. I think this education venture that she's taking is a newer venture, so we're gonna hear her story. And we were chatting at the retreat, and I was like, "I would love to have you on my podcast. I would just love to connect more. I'd love to help kind of share your mission and shout it from the rooftops." And I told Sarah before we hit record, I just kind of wanna hear her story and get to know her more. So that's what we're gonna do today. Thanks for coming on today, Sarah.

Sarah Swift 4:42

Thanks for having me, Lisa. It was such a joy actually meeting you at the table this year. I felt like it was so curated because I am, I am a new educator, and I also have heard your name, seen your face. It is a relatively small room, but just having the chance to connect with the few of you at my table that were educators this year was a- Yeah completely different experience.

Lisa Huff 5:04

I completely agree. I mean, Brooke Decker and I have been friends for years. She's one that is, like, so good at staying connected in the community, so I've known her for years. She's like, feels like an OG Thriver to me. Heather Ope is now in my Jumpstart program. I'm coaching her through rolling out kind of her coaching, which makes me so excited and so happy. She's already, like, getting The, the, the speed at which she moves, it's interesting when I have somebody new come in for coaching, just seeing how they, how Are they gonna really need a lot of pushing, pulling, support, accountability? But she is just nose down, doing the dang thing already. I just had Michelle Cook on the podcast. So yeah, we had a really good group. Shannon DeMont's been on my podcast before as well, so we had a really cool Tabitha, I don't think she's been on my podcast actually, so I need to do that. But yeah, we had a really good group, and I agree, very curated. Last year I was with Shannon and Tabitha as well. It was nice having those newer faces at our table. Um, and like I said, it just was really nice. You were there with your daughters. I even remember you stopping by our dinner table that one night. I can just tell the way you live your life is very intentional, and I'm excited to hear you talk about this venture that you're taking on, 'cause you can tell it's very much aligned action, and I can sense that and smell that and feel that. Um, so let's get into it. Why don't you take us back however far feels appropriate. Some people go back to, like, cosmetology school. Whatever feels, give us a brief rundown of, like, kind of the big periods and, and, and timestamps of your life and your career, and then we'll kind of move into where we're at right now and how this has gotten created and what this is gonna look like.

Sarah Swift 6:39

Yeah. No, I think that's great. And stories do differ. I'm now 51, so my story goes back a little bit longer than most because I've- Yeah been in the industry now for 33 years. Incredible. So it's over three decades.

Lisa Huff 6:51

Incredible.

Sarah Swift 6:52

And I'm a mother of three teenagers. I became a mother at, pregnant with my first oldest daughter at the age of 30, so I started a little bit later. I had an infertility journey prior to that.

Lisa Huff 7:07

Wow.

Sarah Swift 7:07

So I think what I'll, where I'll start, um-

Lisa Huff 7:10

Sorry, I am gonna interrupt you 10,000 times. Yes. This is my story. Was your daughter naturally conceived? Was she a product of IVF? I'm curious.

Sarah Swift 7:17

She was naturally conceived. Wow. And that's actually part of my story. Wow. So I, you know, I, I do go into this, you know, in my group, 'cause of course- Yeah my group is for salon owner moms. Yeah. And so when I go deep, I'm going deep with my private group so that people feel comfortable.

Lisa Huff 7:37

Totally.

Sarah Swift 7:38

So that we can share in a, a safe space where we know that what we're sharing stays in the group.

Lisa Huff 7:44

Totally.

Sarah Swift 7:44

Um, I'm pretty open about this, and- Yes so I'll share it as part of my story today. Yeah. If it can help somebody, um, I'm glad to do so. Um, more details than that I definitely go into in private spaces. Okay. But, um, but she- Yeah,

Lisa Huff 7:56

whatever you feel comfortable with.

Sarah Swift 7:58

But, yeah. But it was naturally. So for me, my journey in this industry and as a mother was from a very young age, I wanted to be a mom. Yeah. It was just a desire I always had. I was always very nurturing. Just, I just knew.

Lisa Huff 8:11

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 8:12

And I also had this creative aspect to me. Started cutting my brother's hair, cutting my own hair, you know? Yeah. A, a typical story of most of us, right?

Lisa Huff 8:19

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 8:20

You know, that we just started doing things really young. And so I went into the industry right out of high school, went through it really fast. That is how I move. When I get an idea, I'm doing it. So that would be my statement, and I- Love I think that's the thing that is consistent when I think about my story. When I make a decision, it's not, "I'm gonna try this and see-" Yeah "if it works out." It's- Yeah "I'm doing this." Yeah. "And maybe it won't work out, and that's okay. I'm okay with that, but I'm gonna do it."

Lisa Huff 8:47

And- We're cut from the same cloth. I always say my, like, token phrase is, "Fast, messy action." Because so many people get stuck in, like, the perfectionism, that it never comes to fruition. Yeah. That I'm like, "Just go. Clean it up as you go, but just start." I think momentum's so important, so we're definitely, yeah, similar in that way.

Sarah Swift 9:04

Well, and it's messy. I mean, my gosh, my story is messy just like anybody's story- Yeah that actually gets something real built. It's not perfect. Yeah. I mean, you have to try things. You have to see what you like, right?

Lisa Huff 9:16

Totally. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 9:16

So I started out, I worked for a large salon with a really good training program. It was really far from my house, and I, at the time, was, you know, dating my husband. We fell in love. I wanted to move closer to the salon. Yeah. He did not.

Lisa Huff 9:33

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 9:34

And so my story is this. Then I went back to work in a small town where, near where I live. I did work at a couple salons in that town. Very different experience than where I had started out. The way they did things, very different. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Very different from what's aligned to me as well. Okay. And so always grateful for every opportunity, everybody that I ever meet. You know, I think there's a lesson to be learned. A lesson. Yep. And, you know, there's wonderful people along the way that stay with you, too, so.

Lisa Huff 10:02

Totally.

Sarah Swift 10:02

You never know what the benefits are, and if it's not aligned, then that's okay, too.

Lisa Huff 10:07

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 10:07

And so there with my journey, in my early 20s, I developed chemical sensitivity.

Lisa Huff 10:13

Okay.

Sarah Swift 10:14

So I was having really bad reactions- Yeah to hair color, which ironically was the thing that I always got complimented on. So as we all know in the industry, you know- Like that's where your skills

Lisa Huff 10:25

were gonna out

Sarah Swift 10:26

was hair color that's where my skillset is. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, oh darn, you know, the one thing that everybody says I'm really good at- Is finally

Lisa Huff 10:31

taking off is,

Sarah Swift 10:33

yeah, not good for me um, is the thing that... Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, just I wasn't wearing gloves, and I was coloring my roots every three weeks, and I was breathing it all in, and for me, it just, it wasn't meant to be.

Lisa Huff 10:46

Totally.

Sarah Swift 10:47

And I, it wasn't aligned. So I had that journey. It has many health issues. I went through many modalities. So that started my wellness journey.

Lisa Huff 10:56

Wow.

Sarah Swift 10:56

And so I dove really deep into that. Around that time or shortly thereafter, and I had been trying other things. So I tried other things in our industry just to see, you know, is this good? Do I like this? Totally.

Lisa Huff 11:08

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 11:09

They ultimately weren't aligned either, but again, I'm willing to try, and I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna dive in. Taste

Lisa Huff 11:13

everything, yeah.

Sarah Swift 11:14

I'm gonna taste some things- Mm-hmm that seem like they might work. I did have a couple other businesses I tried. They were actually successful, but ultimately not where my true desire was. So I was able to get pregnant, and I went through a series of miscarriages, and that was really, really hard. I bet. So I really pulled back from- the whole idea of it has to be all about work. For me, at that point, it was all about my wellness. It was all about I need to get healthy, and my desire in life, and it might not be everybody's, and that's okay-

Lisa Huff 11:48

Yeah

Sarah Swift 11:50

I really wanna be a mom.

Lisa Huff 11:51

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 11:51

And, and that's been in my heart forever. Yeah. So that's my focus. Well, and

Lisa Huff 11:55

what good is this career when, like, the personal stuff, the health, I mean, if you don't have that, then you-

Sarah Swift 12:00

Right

Lisa Huff 12:00

you can't build anything on top of that foundation. So yeah, I get that.

Sarah Swift 12:04

Yeah. And I was just really open to the fact that this just n- might not be the career for me.

Lisa Huff 12:10

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 12:11

Unfortunately, I didn't have what I would say would be a luxury of having my spouse's income be what it needed to be to have me just completely pull out. Totally. Because he was in, well, he still is, in a trade, and he had several injuries. Yeah. He also went through the recession. Mm-hmm. So he was laid off. So when I had my oldest daughter, she was a toddler. My second daughter, I have three teenagers now-

Lisa Huff 12:42

Yeah

Sarah Swift 12:42

was a baby I left that salon. I took a chance. Yeah. My husband was laid off, on this one income.

Lisa Huff 12:49

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 12:50

And I started my own business.

Lisa Huff 12:51

Wow.

Sarah Swift 12:52

I just, I just knew I needed to curate my own schedule. I wasn't happy with my schedule. Now, when

Lisa Huff 12:57

you say you started your own business, did you open your own salon? Is that what you're saying?

Sarah Swift 13:01

Um, m- my step one was not. Okay. My step one was renting a chair at-

Lisa Huff 13:07

Going in. Yep

Sarah Swift 13:07

well, yeah. It was the first open concept booth rental salon in a small town.

Lisa Huff 13:12

Love.

Sarah Swift 13:12

So there was basically, from what I could see, not many options. Yeah. And so I did it, and I was surprised because I went in and I didn't know. I mean, it could've been a complete flop. And I was really busy. When I say busy, I was working five days a week, very full time.

Lisa Huff 13:30

Very

Sarah Swift 13:30

brutal, yeah. Um, very standard hours. You know- Totally like, the hours that I think, I don't know if this is necessarily true of hairstylists going in now, but it was for me. The, the- The old school

Lisa Huff 13:41

hairdresser of nights and weekends yeah. Totally. That's what we're trying to- Yeah break past. Yeah. Which I think we've made a lot of progress. Right. But even when I- Oh, yeah first got licensed, and I think even still to people who are, you know, kind of, their eyes have been opened to this other option, it does feel like service industry is just when everybody else who works a nine to five is off, that's when we work. Yeah. Right. Totally.

Sarah Swift 14:03

And that, yeah, that is just what you did, right?

Lisa Huff 14:05

Yep.

Sarah Swift 14:06

And that was what was expected. I did see another option early on, because the salon that I mentioned before that I started at, that was a very large salon, so they actually did have, have options.

Lisa Huff 14:16

Okay.

Sarah Swift 14:16

And their top stylist, she was amazing. She was the one you wanted to stand by.

Lisa Huff 14:20

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 14:20

She was actually trying to have her second baby, and she curated her own hours completely.

Lisa Huff 14:27

Incredible.

Sarah Swift 14:27

And- She

Lisa Huff 14:28

was like a unicorn back then, of like, "Oh, dang.- She was a unicorn look what she's

Sarah Swift 14:31

doing." Yeah. Yeah. Love. I mean, she, she really was. So I, I knew that it was possible. So I did that. I got pregnant with my son six months into this venture. So now I'm working extremely full time. I get pregnant with my son, having had, had, you know, infertility issues before, but my health had turned around. I had chose, because this was another motivation, I aligned myself with distributors and products that would work for me.

Lisa Huff 14:57

Okay.

Sarah Swift 14:58

So I had that control.

Lisa Huff 14:59

Yep.

Sarah Swift 15:00

And that was huge.

Lisa Huff 15:01

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 15:02

And I won't go deep into that today, but wellness is definitely one of the really deep core values- It's a value. Huge that I talk about.

Lisa Huff 15:10

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 15:11

Yeah. Of me, I live the lifestyle. People will tell you that. Yeah. And it's also, it's in my experience course. Love. We have a whole section on it, because I just, I believe it's part of the experience of having, you know, a really-

Lisa Huff 15:24

Yeah

Sarah Swift 15:25

curated life. So with that being said, I did that. I was really sick. I had a really hard delivery. A few years later I decided that I was going to open my own salon. Mm. So I was gonna do the whole thing, you know? Yeah. jacked up the, the cement floor, put new plumbing in Toddlers at home at this point You know, just, it was just crazy.

Lisa Huff 15:43

Yeah. So I- But your business, so even post maternity leave, your business withstood that. You were booked- Oh, yeah busy, in demand. Yes. Things were going pretty good. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 15:51

They were going good.

Lisa Huff 15:52

Tired, I'm sure, but-

Sarah Swift 15:53

I will, I will say my health was constantly in a burnout cycle.

Lisa Huff 15:58

Okay.

Sarah Swift 15:58

So this was, you know, because really, you know, my hero's story transformation didn't happen till years later. Yeah. Where I finally, you know, broke that cycle. So I was still going through that, you know, using modalities, doing things, but then I would crash again and burn again because it was just, you know, the constant push, push, push. It wasn't a

Lisa Huff 16:16

sustainable-

Sarah Swift 16:17

It wasn't sustainable.

Lisa Huff 16:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 16:18

No. Model. So-

Lisa Huff 16:20

Yeah

Sarah Swift 16:20

no. So I did that, and I was in the new salon space for about five years. But during all of this, what had happened also is I didn't have any business foundation.

Lisa Huff 16:32

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 16:32

So I left the salon that I was working for commission, and I gave up a pay raise right before I was gonna leave, because I was scared. Yeah. I thought, "You know what? I'm leaving, and I don't wanna take a pay raise now. I don't even know if anyone's gonna follow me."

Lisa Huff 16:47

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 16:47

So I, I just did things very backwards. Um, not-

Lisa Huff 16:52

Do you have regrets looking back at that? Like, do you wish you would've done different? Oh, lots. Okay.

Sarah Swift 16:56

Oh, my goodness.

Lisa Huff 16:56

Hindsight is 20/20. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 16:57

Yes. And a- again, like, this is something I dive really deep into. I have a very, very strong point of view-

Lisa Huff 17:04

Yeah

Sarah Swift 17:04

on this. And what I speak to is I have the experience in how you could do it the wrong way.

Lisa Huff 17:12

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:12

And so I have success when I did it the right way.

Lisa Huff 17:16

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:16

And so that's what I- People could

Lisa Huff 17:17

save a lot of time that it took for

Sarah Swift 17:19

you- Oh, my gosh to learn

Lisa Huff 17:20

that. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:20

Correct. I see. Yeah. Part, part of my time experience. Totally. Yeah. I w- I wanted to save others, younger moms in our industry, the time so they don't have to go through all of this.

Lisa Huff 17:30

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:30

And then just, quote-unquote, "waste their time."

Lisa Huff 17:33

Totally.

Sarah Swift 17:34

So yeah. So now I am still behind the chair. I'm only behind the chair two days a week.

Lisa Huff 17:40

Awesome.

Sarah Swift 17:40

I'm in a different building now. I had an opportunity to move out of the building that I had been in for a very variety of reasons. It wasn't aligned anymore.

Lisa Huff 17:49

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:49

And I really niched down. So you and I are both, you know, in the X Club, and we both- Yeah have had some foundation education in the same group.

Lisa Huff 17:59

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 17:59

And so I definitely utilized that. But where my transformation came after that, because that was in 2020 for me.

Lisa Huff 18:07

Okay.

Sarah Swift 18:07

So it was, again, you know, the worst time. For me, it was actually my lowest income year.

Lisa Huff 18:13

Hmm.

Sarah Swift 18:13

For many, many years, you know- Wow probably dating back dec-

Lisa Huff 18:17

And where are you located again? Remind me.

Sarah Swift 18:19

I'm in West Bend, Wisconsin.

Lisa Huff 18:21

Okay.

Sarah Swift 18:21

That's where my business

Lisa Huff 18:22

is. Yep. Okay.

Sarah Swift 18:22

Yeah. You're not far, because you're in-

Lisa Huff 18:24

Yeah. You're Midwest with me. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 18:25

Yeah. I'm in

Lisa Huff 18:25

Illinois. Okay.

Sarah Swift 18:26

Midwest. Yeah. So, you know, I joined the program- Mm-hmm learned my business skills. I went from paper books, no website, you know, you name it.

Lisa Huff 18:38

Totally.

Sarah Swift 18:38

I, I, I, again, I said, "I'm doing this."

Lisa Huff 18:41

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 18:41

So I did. And I met my core group of ladies, and they helped me.

Lisa Huff 18:46

Love

Sarah Swift 18:46

that. And when you push me, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. And so that's what they always joke about. They're like, "Sarah just puts her head down. She gets the work done, and then it's just done."

Lisa Huff 18:55

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 18:56

And so they joke now, they're like, "You s- you're starting a podcast? Wait a minute. You have a whole, like, guided experience course?"

Lisa Huff 19:02

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 19:03

You didn't even know how to copy and paste when we met you." That's so funny. "How is this even possible?"

Lisa Huff 19:06

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 19:07

I'm like, anything's possible. If you have a desire in you, and you're willing to learn- Yeah anything's possible.

Lisa Huff 19:13

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 19:14

I mean, you can set the bar wherever, you know, you desire it to be. Yeah. That's really what I think. So I guess the last part of my story is after COVID, again, my business really was doing well. I made a lot of changes. There was a tragedy. So- My father died very unexpectedly- I'm sorry to hear that in a tragic accident.

Lisa Huff 19:35

Mm.

Sarah Swift 19:36

Yeah. And that started my deep dive into what I now speak to. I wish this would have been done from the beginning.

Lisa Huff 19:45

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 19:46

It is the core basic of everybody's foundation in order to do things really well and aligned, in my opinion.

Lisa Huff 19:53

Okay.

Sarah Swift 19:54

Um, so I dove deep, and that's where my focus was, and I did that for several years.

Lisa Huff 19:59

Dove deep in what? What do you mean when you say that?

Sarah Swift 20:02

So I dove deep into where my resistance was laying- Yeah and what cycles I continued.

Lisa Huff 20:09

Okay.

Sarah Swift 20:09

So I really dove

Lisa Huff 20:11

deep. Just you

Sarah Swift 20:11

feel

Lisa Huff 20:11

like that perspective of that tragedy really, like, brought that out?

Sarah Swift 20:16

It brought it out- Yeah 'cause it, it just brought out a lot. And I have always been very spiritual, so it was a very big spiritual component- Totally in there as well. And I really went deep into my why.

Lisa Huff 20:28

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 20:28

You know, what is my vision and what is my why, and what is my why specifically? Yeah. Not what everyone around me is doing. Totally. Not what I'm told I should be doing.

Lisa Huff 20:38

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 20:39

What's deep inside of me? Yeah. What's my actual desire? Because once you align that, everything changes.

Lisa Huff 20:45

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 20:46

Because when you live your life trying to please everybody else, you just get exhausted.

Lisa Huff 20:51

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 20:52

And if it's not aligned to what you're actually here to do and what God's plan is for you, it's never gonna feel right.

Lisa Huff 20:58

Totally.

Sarah Swift 20:58

And it didn't for me.

Lisa Huff 21:00

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 21:00

And so I dove deep into that, and two years later, I started waking up on my own, like, in the crack of dawn. Yeah. Now, you're talking about a woman who used to work, you know, crazy hours. I was up really late.

Lisa Huff 21:14

Mm-hmm.

Sarah Swift 21:14

I pressed snooze twice at least.

Lisa Huff 21:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 21:18

Didn't like getting up. Did it because, of course- Totally I'm a doer, so I, I will do it.

Lisa Huff 21:23

Plan's waiting. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 21:23

But yeah. My, my kids are crying. Uh-huh. They need to be fed. You know, you know, all the stages of motherhood too.

Lisa Huff 21:28

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 21:29

And I just started waking up. So I had my early mornings to myself in the dark.

Lisa Huff 21:34

That's a big thing for me, too. I feel you. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 21:36

Huge.

Lisa Huff 21:37

It, I mean, it's such a simple thing, but you hear it so many times when people have this, like, major transformation or this major shift or this major... And I hate telling it to people, 'cause you can tell there's just some people that, like, that doesn't land with them, that doesn't stick with them. Yeah. But, like, that is also my experience as well. Like, I had a true, like, spiritual awakening, and those morning hours are, like, my I don't even know the right word. Fueling station, recharge, grounding, centering, connection to source. Like, I mean, it is that profound-

Sarah Swift 22:10

Yes

Lisa Huff 22:11

for me as well. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 22:13

Yeah. And you would agree then?

Lisa Huff 22:15

Absolutely.

Sarah Swift 22:16

There's nothing to describe it until you do it, and this is really important to me. I'm gonna be actually doing a workshop on this- Yeah. Oh, awesome coming up soon. Just really basic on- Uh-huh three steps on how you can start. I mean, it, it doesn't need to be an hour and a half- No two hours.

Lisa Huff 22:32

Totally.

Sarah Swift 22:33

It can be, and I love having

Lisa Huff 22:35

it that way. Well, once you get so hopped up on it, you crave that. Right. But in the beginning- You crave it you're just like, "Well, now I'm up and I'm tired, and the dog's up, and the... Why did I do this?" Yeah.

Sarah Swift 22:45

Yeah. You know, just like you said, you know, just that grounding and, and it's when I meditate, it's when I journal. Yeah. Yeah. It's really when the thoughts come to me-

Lisa Huff 22:53

Same

Sarah Swift 22:53

that I set the intention for my day.

Lisa Huff 22:55

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 22:56

And it starts before my feet even get out of bed.

Lisa Huff 22:58

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 22:58

So my intention is set. I mean, I'm groggy, mind you. Totally. But my intention is set, and then I get up. So this started, and I didn't know what the heck was going on. Honestly, I'm like, "Is this part of menopause?" Yeah. Because I'm not even in menopause yet. Yeah. But now I'm, you know, I'm in my late 40s at this point, so I'm like, "I don't know what this is." Yeah. "This has never been me, but it's great, and I love it." Yeah. So this went on. A few months later, I had the opportunity to join a learning system that, again, that- that's what I do. When I decide I'm gonna do something, I'm going to- You're a student. You imply-

Lisa Huff 23:33

invest. I'm a student. Yeah. Yep. Totally.

Sarah Swift 23:34

I'm gonna pay for it. Like, I'm gonna get- Yeah a guide that's gonna show me.

Lisa Huff 23:38

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 23:38

I mean, I'm not opposed to doing freebie sessions, mind you, if I wanna just see if I'm interested, but once I'm interested and I'm doing it- But you knew this was the

Lisa Huff 23:45

next major move to- Um,

Sarah Swift 23:47

this is it.

Lisa Huff 23:47

Yeah for you. Yeah, I'm kind of the same way. I- I've-- There's been a few major mentors in my life that I've bounced from one to the other, and my gut and my soul knows when it's kind of time and it's craving something new and a transition, but I am also a product of the mentorship that I've had, so yeah, I agree with that.

Sarah Swift 24:03

I can tell, Lisa. You know, in talking to you at X Club too, I can tell, and that's something that I really, I felt aligned with you in that regard.

Lisa Huff 24:11

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 24:12

Cause I'm naturally, I think, an investigator. I like knowledge.

Lisa Huff 24:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 24:18

But I don't like it when I have so much knowledge that now I'm not in action.

Lisa Huff 24:23

Yeah, you're

Sarah Swift 24:23

paralyzed. Because I have-- I'm paralyzed. Totally. And so yeah, so I built my course, and I didn't even think about a podcast at that point, because I was doing one step at a time. Absolutely. One messy step at a time. Yep. Right?

Lisa Huff 24:35

Yep.

Sarah Swift 24:35

You know, and everybody around me is like, "Well, when are you gonna launch? What, what are you doing?" And-

Lisa Huff 24:40

Yeah

Sarah Swift 24:40

you know, just not thinking I was crazy, but you know, again, I had a really good thing going-

Lisa Huff 24:45

Yeah

Sarah Swift 24:46

with my curated salon business, and still do. Yeah. And I love it, and that's-

Lisa Huff 24:50

Totally

Sarah Swift 24:51

wonderful, and I love it, but I was desiring this other thing.

Lisa Huff 24:54

Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 24:55

And I was following God's whisper, and I didn't know why.

Lisa Huff 24:57

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 24:58

And it's, and it was kind of odd and bizarre to me, but I was like, "You know what? I'm just gonna go with it." Totally. Because I just, I believe in this. I won't go deep into this because it's still pretty fresh, but we had another tragedy at the end of that same year-

Lisa Huff 25:12

Mm-hmm

Sarah Swift 25:12

involving one of my children.

Lisa Huff 25:13

Mm.

Sarah Swift 25:14

And it is a major tragedy, and so everything halted.

Lisa Huff 25:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 25:18

So it was at the very end of 2024. So all of 2025 was about that. Yeah. And it was so beautiful that the salon system that I had built-

Lisa Huff 25:31

Yeah

Sarah Swift 25:31

was able to continue to go, and I was able- Sustain, yeah to sustain. And that's what I was doing. I was sustaining, and I had a communication preference set up- Yeah that worked for me.

Lisa Huff 25:43

Totally.

Sarah Swift 25:44

And I was able to do what I needed to do, and I think that's the other beautiful part about having a business, and especially specializing, 'cause I am very, very niche, and I believe in that.

Lisa Huff 25:54

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 25:54

I don't necessarily think that a new stylist should start out that way. No. But I think when you find your gifts, and you really hone in on what they are. Yeah. And for me, that is what I'm doing, and now I'm ut- utilizing a new gift that I feel- Yeah like I have to share. But 2025 was about that. Yeah. And, and we are still doing that, mind you, but it was really intense in 2025.

Lisa Huff 26:17

Mm.

Sarah Swift 26:17

So that was my year. And now I'm back to, again, this new business called TIME, the Integrative Mother Experience, and I'm really excited about it. I launched my podcast in February.

Lisa Huff 26:31

Awesome.

Sarah Swift 26:32

And I'm super excited to be a guest on your show. I just can't wait to have more conversations like this- Yeah you know, with beautiful people in our industry like yourself.

Lisa Huff 26:41

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 26:42

It's just, this is what feeds my soul.

Lisa Huff 26:43

Love.

Sarah Swift 26:44

Is the conversations.

Lisa Huff 26:45

Totally.

Sarah Swift 26:46

Honestly, this is what... I could do this all day long. Same. It's just so d- I don't know. It's, it's- I agree so heartfelt.

Lisa Huff 26:54

I agree. And I'm glad that you still have your business, and you've gotten it to a place where it's a well-oiled machine. I'm the same. It's shrunk more and more intentionally throughout the years, just because Soul Tribe has taken more and more time and energy, and that's been, again, all the while very intuitively led, very intentional, very just following what feels right in my heart and my soul. And I'm the same as you. Those morning check-ins are kind of where I get those nudges and those pulls and those confirmations or those itches or whatever. So I love that you have that. Tell us what is the Integrative Mother Experience? I know, I, it's kinda dropped in. It's definitely, I call Big Magic. Have you read Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert?

Sarah Swift 27:33

No.

Lisa Huff 27:34

Okay. Life-changing book. I'm gonna be real quick on it. I, and everybody- Okay who reads it gets a different perspective, but I read it- Okay in 2018, the year that Style Your Soul Tribe dropped into me. The way Elizabeth Gilbert talks about Big Magic, is what she calls it. Okay. Big Magic ideas.

Sarah Swift 27:50

Write

Lisa Huff 27:50

this down. Is that, yeah, ideas float around the ether, and- Okay they're energy, and that's what they do, and they float around the ether, and they will find a host. And you're the host. Okay. And when it, when it's a big magic idea, 'cause ideas come and go, right? You'll have them pop in. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You're like, "Oh, that's not for me. That's for someone else." Yeah. "I'll let-" Yeah "I'll let that one go. That's not for me." Mm-hmm. But sometimes they come in, and like, it makes the hair on your neck, back of your neck stand up, and it's like a download. Yeah. Like a universal download- Yep. Oh, yeah of like, "Oh, it is my ja-" And so the idea's purpose, this energy, is for a host to bring it to life. And when you get this, you know, experience with this idea, you get to decide, "Do I wanna sign a contract with the universe?" is basically what it says, where like I'm gonna see- Yeah this all the way through. I am the person to bring this to life. And as I was reading that book- Style Soul Tribe dropped in for me, and this was in 2018. And the way that Elizabeth Gilbert explains that, and really it's a book about creativity is what it is. Yeah. 'Cause that's how anybody creates anything, right? Yeah. It starts as an idea. Mm-hmm. You decide to go all the way through. It gets hard, it gets messy. A lot of the times you can give up and let it go, but the people who create something really meaningful and, and impactful don't give that up. You know, when things get hard, they really have that, like, deep internal pull. And so just the way that when I read that book, the way, I mean, I was, my, my frontal lobe was developing at that time. I just feel like it was a very pivotal time in my life that I still haven't lost that initial pull- Wow from seven years ago. It still is like, I have a contract, this is mine to fulfill. And so I'm the same as you. These conversations mean so much to me, and it used to feel like, I remember in the beginning, and I'm, I'm assuming you can relate to this, tell me your thoughts. When I first started really, like, getting my groove in hair and, like, turning people around and the transformation and these, like- Mm-hmm impactful conversations, like, oh my, it was like a drug. It was like a high. It was like, oh, this is so good. Yeah. You know? Like, I'm obsessed with this. And for me, it didn't take super-duper long for that to lose its oomph, you know? Where eventually I wanted an impact that was a little bit bigger than just hair that grows out. Um, and so that's kind of what I'm hearing from you. And of course we have really- Oh, yeah meaningful conversations with our clients behind the chair. But, like, I found that these conversations that we're having today, the conversations that I have behind the scenes inside of my coaching program, like, that is unlike anything else that I can find of just that impact and that like, oomph- Mm-hmm that feels good going to bed at night. 'Cause that is just next level. So I, I'm assum- again, I think we're cut from the same cloth. You kind of, once you see- Right someone like that, you're like, "Oh, you, you have it." Yeah. I know what that is. Yeah. One of us, yeah. And so, yeah, I can totally, totally relate. So really, yeah, what is the Integrative Mother Experience? Explain that kind of top to bottom and how that, if it, if you would relate to that Big Magic- Sure thought process, how that dropped in, what you have created from that.

Sarah Swift 30:41

Yeah. I love to see your excitement, by the way. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then your soul tribe in the background. Uh-huh. It, you know, it's just so perfect. And so I just wanna say, I just wanna acknowledge that because, uh, I mean, you're at seven years, so you could say this would be the seven-year itch for some people. Yeah. You are all in, and I can tell.

Lisa Huff 30:57

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 30:57

For me, it was like a whisper that I felt, and it was within, I think, 24 hours. It was right after. So I had this weird whisper of doing something, and I wasn't quite sure what it was gonna be. And so I saw an advertisement for, again, it was, you know, something that was led how you could create-

Lisa Huff 31:20

Yeah

Sarah Swift 31:20

essentially something. Yeah. You know? It didn't have to be a guided course experience. It could be one of many things, but that was one option. And I thought, "You know what? I'm gonna start with this idea. I'll just see." And then it just ended up being what I wanted to do.

Lisa Huff 31:35

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 31:35

So what it is, is it's an experience that I guide the moms in my group with.

Lisa Huff 31:42

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 31:42

And I'm all about deep impact as well. So for me, and this is how, I don't know if you've heard of human design.

Lisa Huff 31:50

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 31:50

I'm a little bit- I would say newer to some people very close to me that know a lot about it. Yeah. And so, you know, they

31:58

definitely

Lisa Huff 31:58

know- I'm definitely no expert. I know what I am, but I- Me too. don't follow it super closely. To me it's like Enneagram, astrology. Like, I kind of- Yeah. Enneagram is probably the one I know the most, but still I'm not an expert. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 32:09

I think I know that one the least, but- somebody I've met along the way recently has, um, helped me to understand my design, and it- Yep makes complete sense. Like, I can actually now- So what are you? completely understand. So I actually have, I have her, um, her description next to me. So I'm a 5/1 emotional projector, but then I have a left ankle cross of observation too. Okay. And what's really interesting with that is that I love depth and mastery. Go ahead. And I'm like, "Yep, that's me." Yeah. 'Cause if I- It sounds like- decide I'm gonna do something- Uh-huh I, I really wanna dive in, and that's just part of it. The emotional, for sure. Anyone that knows me knows I get very emotionally involved, and if someone's aligned to me-

Lisa Huff 32:50

Yeah

Sarah Swift 32:50

I'm really all in.

Lisa Huff 32:52

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 32:53

And I can feel un-alignment as well.

Lisa Huff 32:55

Totally.

Sarah Swift 32:55

And so now I'm able to really, in my new business and in my existing business, if somebody's not aligned to work with me-

Lisa Huff 33:05

Yeah

Sarah Swift 33:05

that is fine. Like, I'm good with that. I am not for everyone.

Lisa Huff 33:08

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 33:09

And I really feel like that's where people get the most value in life- Mm is when they are working with someone that is their person or their community. Yeah.

Lisa Huff 33:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 33:18

So that's part of it. And then I tend to, my frequency is deep impact, so surprise, surprise.

Lisa Huff 33:24

Uh-huh.

Sarah Swift 33:25

Cause I mean, again, I'm following this whisper.

Lisa Huff 33:28

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 33:29

Literally doing all these steps as they're coming to me.

Lisa Huff 33:32

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 33:33

And I do have a vision, for sure, but I don't know how the vision, the, how, how the end result is going to be exactly, but- You

Lisa Huff 33:40

don't have an attachment- need to know to the control. I do not. Yeah. Yeah. No. Like, you know where it is that you're heading, and that is clear. Yeah. I do. But, like, it's not your job to force it or figure it out. Mm-mm. And it's this or something better, right? If something else comes across your path, that's out of your control. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 33:55

Right.

Lisa Huff 33:55

I think that's a beautiful way

Sarah Swift 33:56

to live. Well, like I said, I think the podcast wasn't even at all in the summer of 2024. Yeah. That wasn't even on the list. So that's part of me. So they call it the investigator. I'm like, yep, that was me. I was always- Yeah like, school came really easy to me.

Lisa Huff 34:10

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 34:10

So, you know, during the years in high school when maybe I wanted to have a little bit more fun than study, I still got really good

Lisa Huff 34:16

grades. Totally.

Sarah Swift 34:17

Just because it wasn't something that I had to work super hard at. It's

Lisa Huff 34:20

in your design, yeah.

Sarah Swift 34:21

It's in my design. And then this one I think is really cool too, 'cause I can see it, is my leadership comes from seeing what others don't, and then offering insight when I'm, when I'm invited.

Lisa Huff 34:32

Love.

Sarah Swift 34:32

And that I've really felt i- all my entire life. It's like I have these thoughts and I can- Yeah see things, and it is part of my human design makeup. But part of it is just waiting for somebody to ask- Totally instead of just projecting it out and h- you know, "Here's my advice," and preaching. Yeah. Like, I, that doesn't land-

Lisa Huff 34:53

Yeah

Sarah Swift 34:53

with the way that I'm... You know? So I tend to- Totally be a little bit more quiet in settings where I feel like people aren't ready to hear what I need to say.

Lisa Huff 35:02

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 35:03

And then when they are, and I'm like, "Okay, here it is."

Lisa Huff 35:05

Yeah, it's go time. Uh-huh.

Sarah Swift 35:06

Now let's, let's go deep.

Lisa Huff 35:08

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 35:08

You know, let's, let's go really deep, 'cause I'm not here to impress.

Lisa Huff 35:11

Love.

Sarah Swift 35:11

I'm here to have deep conversations, and nobody needs to notice me. That's not why I'm here.

Lisa Huff 35:18

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 35:18

I'm here to meet the people I'm here to meet, because that's what God sent me to do.

Lisa Huff 35:22

To make the impact, yeah.

Sarah Swift 35:24

Um, so that's a little bit about that, but to answer your original question about my guided experience course, so I have five components to it, and I dive really deep with them.

Lisa Huff 35:34

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 35:34

The first one is... And it, it's all spirit-led also. Okay. So each, each section has a spirit-led component to it. So the first one spirit-led is with the gift of knowledge, and it's setting clear boundaries. So it's with your ideas and your desire and having that harmony, because without having boundaries, now we're just trying to please everybody.

Lisa Huff 36:00

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 36:00

And now you're not really having impact on anybody.

Lisa Huff 36:03

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 36:03

And most of all, yourself. Yeah. Because if you keep giving and giving and giving, your cup is never getting filled.

Lisa Huff 36:10

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 36:10

And then you're not feeling fulfilled. Totally. People can feel it. So this is where I start. The second is avoiding burnout, which I mentioned before. I lived that cycle for most of my life.

Lisa Huff 36:22

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 36:22

So my true transformation came a few years ago, and I am not a new one. So I, I had the cycle. I understand it. This is coming from the spiritual gift of counsel, and it's based on your inner knowing, your choices, and simplicity.

Lisa Huff 36:38

Love.

Sarah Swift 36:38

So now instead of having all these things, let's focus on what you're here to do- Totally what you're good at, and what fills you up.

Lisa Huff 36:46

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 36:47

Then I move on to wellness, which I have a lot of experience in with my, I, my multiple health issues that I had, you know, again, starting in my 20s and then my fertility, infertility journey to having children, and then some of the things along the way with my pregnancies that were- Yeah really scary and left me with things that I've overcome now. Mm-hmm. But they were very difficult, and I ignored them also for years because- Yeah I kept pushing behind the chair.

Lisa Huff 37:14

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 37:15

So we go into the wellness with the gift of understanding, releasing and renewing-

Lisa Huff 37:19

Mm

Sarah Swift 37:20

and then being able to receive. Love. Because if you can't receive and you're just giving-

Lisa Huff 37:24

Mm-hmm

Sarah Swift 37:24

forget about your wellbeing and your wellness.

Lisa Huff 37:26

Totally.

Sarah Swift 37:27

It's not happening, girlfriend.

Lisa Huff 37:28

Yeah, yeah.

Sarah Swift 37:28

Like, it's just

Lisa Huff 37:29

not. And so many people are trained and hardwired and ingrained and have had that blocked for so long- Oh, yeah the ability to receive. So I love that that's the final stage of this. Well- Incredible

Sarah Swift 37:41

that's, that's step three. Oh. And I think women especially. There's two more.

Lisa Huff 37:44

Okay.

Sarah Swift 37:44

Then there's the gift of courage. Okay. And this is about surrender and sitting in stillness. Mm. So remember our mornings we talked about? Yeah. I'm speaking to conscious time-

Lisa Huff 37:54

Mm

Sarah Swift 37:54

in this section.

Lisa Huff 37:55

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 37:55

So that, that's a whole separate subject. We go pretty deep with that. And then it ends with the end of, you know, the transformation is when you have the gift of wisdom.

Lisa Huff 38:05

Mm.

Sarah Swift 38:05

And so this is when your experiences are enhanced.

Lisa Huff 38:08

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 38:08

So you're feeling joy and fulfillment more often on a daily basis because you're noticing it and you're allowing it. You're receiving it to come in. You're not waiting to be on the island of Hawaii-

Lisa Huff 38:20

Yeah

Sarah Swift 38:20

to be able to enjoy life.

Lisa Huff 38:22

Totally.

Sarah Swift 38:22

You can be wherever you are.

Lisa Huff 38:24

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 38:24

And you can have it every day because it's always there.

Lisa Huff 38:26

Create your own Hawaii.

Sarah Swift 38:28

You're just- Yeah, yeah you're just not noticing it. Have the monitor.

Lisa Huff 38:30

Yeah, uh-huh. So,

Sarah Swift 38:30

yeah. So-

Lisa Huff 38:32

Love

Sarah Swift 38:32

so that's what I speak to. Um, that's what my experienced guided course is all about.

Lisa Huff 38:37

Did that take you a lot of time to put that together? Or- Oh, my gosh, yeah was that kind of like a download where it just came to you? Well,

Sarah Swift 38:42

okay, so it's interesting. So it took me a long time to put- like, the pieces together because I can be a little bit perfectionistic- Uh-huh like, in those regards. Yeah. But the download came really quickly.

Lisa Huff 38:54

Okay.

Sarah Swift 38:54

And what I thought was really- Like,

Lisa Huff 38:55

the, the framework. Yeah, the outline.

Sarah Swift 38:56

Oh, yeah. Like, the- Yeah the framework, and that's actually what I refer to it as.

Lisa Huff 39:00

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 39:00

But it's interesting because I now, I'll read books or somebody will tell me a book, and I'll be like, "That's really weird, 'cause that's what I already speak to." Totally. But I had never heard it from anybody before. Yeah. It, it came here.

Lisa Huff 39:12

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 39:13

And so that has happened to me multiple times in the last year and a half.

Lisa Huff 39:17

Totally.

Sarah Swift 39:17

I- which is, this had already been built. Like-

Lisa Huff 39:20

Yeah

Sarah Swift 39:20

this was basically done. I did my recordings, and I love, like, doing things live now. Like, that's- Yeah kind of my new jam. But, but like I said, I took a huge pause because of what was going on- Yeah in our life with my child.

Lisa Huff 39:33

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 39:34

Yeah, and I was being very present, and there was no choice. Yeah. But then I just find it so interesting. So I can't wait to read the book that you told me, because I'm sure I'll see nuggets in there.

Lisa Huff 39:43

Totally. Uh-huh. Well, and give it a read, and some people read it, and it doesn't click the same way it does for them or for me as it does for them. And honestly, I think it was almost, like, the time that I read it. You just are available for messages from different messengers- Yeah at different times. So yeah, I'd be... But Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert is a hands down, just you gotta, you gotta add it to your list. I, I feel like most people who have read it would, would agree with that. Love, love, love. Okay, a few things we were gonna get into that I wanna, I think we're good on time, that I wanna unpack here. Multiple roles, especially for mothers in the beauty industry, and how that commonly creates overwhelm and chronic stress issues. So you told us a little bit about your story, but I guess tell us more of, like, what you've seen in others and why you feel this pull and to support them, or, like, what kind of... Somebody listening to this who is a stylist- Yeah or salon owner- Yeah in that, unpack that a little bit.

Sarah Swift 40:33

Yeah. And truly, this can really be for any business owner, especially in the service industry.

Lisa Huff 40:40

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 40:40

Because what I'm speaking to is having so much on your plate, and I, I think the word balancing-

Lisa Huff 40:48

Mm-hmm

Sarah Swift 40:48

is so common.

Lisa Huff 40:49

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 40:50

And I think when you have true balance, that's a different conversation. But the fact that most people are referring to it as you should balance everything. Yeah. So it's different. That term I don't like.

Lisa Huff 41:04

Yep.

Sarah Swift 41:04

And I think that's where a lot of women get tripped up, because especially in the service industries, and in our industry specifically, what I see and what I have lived myself, and I continue to see, is that the expectation is you can do it all. Yeah. And you should do it all. And that is normal.

Lisa Huff 41:26

Mm-hmm.

Sarah Swift 41:26

And you should just keep giving to depletion.

Lisa Huff 41:30

Mm.

Sarah Swift 41:30

And then the cycles just continue.

Lisa Huff 41:33

Mm-hmm.

Sarah Swift 41:33

And nobody really is fixing the issues. It's acknowledged. It's kind of laughed at.

Lisa Huff 41:39

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 41:40

I mean, if I would speak to a lot of stylists that I know that aren't really maybe working on some of these things, so to speak. Yeah. Which is most.

Lisa Huff 41:49

Totally.

Sarah Swift 41:49

They would just say, "Well, yeah, that's just part of being a hairstylist." Yeah. That's part of being a salon owner.

Lisa Huff 41:54

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 41:54

That y- in fact, is even just part of being a working mom.

Lisa Huff 41:58

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 41:58

I just don't buy it. I, I just don't, I- It's the stories

Lisa Huff 42:00

we tell ourselves, right? Yeah,

Sarah Swift 42:03

don't buy it. Like, yeah, yeah. I don't buy that that's what we have to accept. Well,

Lisa Huff 42:05

and you don't buy it because you've seen a different way, and you can feel how much better it feels, and you can see that and have that hindsight and that experience. And I agree, I don't buy it either. Um, I'm sure there's other industries as well, but I am so partial to this industry. Like, and I know a lot of us, like, I don't know, when we said we were gonna go to cosmetology school, everybody's story's different, but sometimes it's like, "Oh, I'm going to lock. You're gonna be a hairdresser." Like, what the statistic is of what- Yeah, yeah our stylists make. But, like, really when you get to stop and think about it, and I get this awesome perspective of getting to see so many successful stylists, salon owners, aestheticians, whatever, beauty pros, this industry genuinely gives us, like, the most time freedom you could ever have, the most money freedom you could ever have if you know how to work it right. And w- it, what it really all boils down to is just intention and choice, and deciding that that's not a story that I'm gonna carry and keep as my truth for my entire career and my whole life, because it is that simple. You can either be like, "Yeah, I subscribe to that," or, "No, I don't. Here's others that have proven that it doesn't have to be that way. Let me be open-minded and learn from them," rather than the, that deep-ingrained story that we hear passed down generation after generation.

Sarah Swift 43:17

Yeah. And what we have modeled, because for me, at my age- The quote-unquote successful stylists were the ones that were grinding. So most of them, maybe with the exception of the one woman I shared earlier, she was truly just an exception- Yeah a pioneer in her own time. But all of the other ones that were actually, if you would say, successful-

Lisa Huff 43:41

Yeah

Sarah Swift 43:41

which I think in most people's terms of career success, it's how much money do you make.

Lisa Huff 43:46

Totally.

Sarah Swift 43:47

They were living terrible lifestyles. Yeah. Very unhealthy, very unaligned to their body.

Lisa Huff 43:54

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 43:54

Hours that they personally wouldn't have chose.

Lisa Huff 43:57

Totally.

Sarah Swift 43:57

And could they make a lot of money? I mean, in most industries, if you're not salary capped, you can.

Lisa Huff 44:04

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 44:05

But it doesn't mean that they were living, you know, an aligned life- Yeah for that money that they were earning.

Lisa Huff 44:10

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 44:10

And then most struggling, of course. You know, our industry- Totally standard. I was told- Yeah by my guidance counselor in high school, "Why do you even wanna do this?" Like he couldn't believe- Yeah that was what I was choosing.

Lisa Huff 44:21

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 44:21

Especially with my grades being what they were. He's like, "Do you know-" Mm "what the industry..." Like, he showed me.

Lisa Huff 44:27

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 44:27

And I looked at it, and I'm like, "That's not gonna be me." And you know, unfortunately, in my ebbs and flows, when I was really unaligned, I would really dip, and I, I could see why the industry standard was so low.

Lisa Huff 44:41

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 44:42

Because the business education behind it, and the discounting- Yeah and how people perceive us- Mm-hmm and how, as an industry, stylists perceive themselves.

Lisa Huff 44:53

Totally.

Sarah Swift 44:54

Yeah. There's a lot of layers to it.

Lisa Huff 44:56

But I think as a whole, throughout time, even just in the 15 years that I've been licensed, I've seen that that perception, I think, is evolving, which is great to see. I hope so. Um, at least to me, it seems that way. Um- I hope so I think, I think Brit has been a big part of that. I think people like you and I are, that are living proof of it has helped with that. But yeah, from my perspective, I think it seems like a more respected career now than it even was just 15 years ago, 'cause it really is incredible what people can do. I have people in my community that work two days a week, six-hour days, and make more than doctors. Like, it is wild what you can do. Um, so yeah, I'm very passionate and very obsessed and madly in love with this industry. Um, and I can talk about that all day. Incredible. Okay, so the Time Method experience, we launched the podcast back in February. If somebody wanted to learn more or participate in that, is there a launch coming up? How do people get in touch with you? What does this look like?

Sarah Swift 45:53

So the first thing is going to my website, which is just theintegrativemotherexperience.com.

Lisa Huff 45:58

And I'll have that linked in the show notes.

Sarah Swift 46:01

Yep. You can follow me on Instagram, and that's just Time with Sarah Swift. I am going to be having a workshop coming up, but I do... I am available now. They can go to my website. Yeah. They can start working with me in the framework today. Anytime. They, they're gonna get a lot of one-on-one right now. Doing my next guided experience after the kids go back to school.

Lisa Huff 46:22

Awesome.

Sarah Swift 46:23

So in early September. Nice. So that is coming up as well. But you don't have to wait if this is, you know, if there's a calling on someone's heart, or they're just interested in maybe even having a quick call with me just to see if it might be something they're interested in. I am available by-

Lisa Huff 46:39

Start the

Sarah Swift 46:39

conversation, yeah email. They can start it by DM-ing me. Awesome They can definitely go to my website. I encourage everybody that's interested just to join my free private group, which they can apply right on my website, because that's just a good place to start, and then they are going to get all the information first.

Lisa Huff 46:54

Love.

Sarah Swift 46:55

That's the first place where I'm going to put any free experiences. Like this past winter, I did a free experience for the moms in my group, and it was really fun. And so that's where you're gonna get things like that, and then you're gonna get the knowledge of the next thing that I'm offering. So those are, those are the- Love stepping stones.

Lisa Huff 47:11

And ideally, these are salon owners that are also mothers, right? That is who you- Correct your jam really- Yes is speaking to.

Sarah Swift 47:17

Yes. Love. That's who I'm really speaking to. Again, if you're in a service industry and you're a business owner. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a salon owner, but that is definitely more of, you know, my specialty. What the

Lisa Huff 47:31

conversation will be focused

Sarah Swift 47:32

around. Yeah. But there are... Yeah. There are moms actually in my private community that are not hairstylists, so-

Lisa Huff 47:38

Okay

Sarah Swift 47:38

I think being in a service industry is, is really helpful just to- Yeah understand.

Lisa Huff 47:41

I agree. It's not like you're teaching technical education. At the end of the day, if you're in a service- Right. No industry, that's what I say. We're not talking- Correct about how to cut hair. It doesn't matter if you're an- Correct esthetician, a nail tech. Yeah. Honestly, even, like, photographers, I don't have any in my group, but, like, I'll connect with these other women entrepreneur. Mm-hmm. It's all the same thing. Yeah.

Sarah Swift 47:57

Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And it's just the women, the moms that just have too much on their plate, and they are trying to balance. Yeah. Because what I'm speaking to is I don't want you to balance it all. Totally. That, that's not what I'm speaking to. I'm talking about integrating.

Lisa Huff 48:11

Mm.

Sarah Swift 48:11

So when you're integrating, you get to choose. You're not missing out because you're curating, curating your life because you have the parts that are part of your life- Yeah which in this case is your career and being a mom, and you're integrating them so that you have the type of life that you want, that- Yeah it's fulfilling and you're getting joy out of it.

Lisa Huff 48:32

Yeah.

Sarah Swift 48:32

And you're not going to look back someday and regret- Oh what you're missing out on.

Lisa Huff 48:37

Yeah. And- It's so important. It's so important. I love that you are following that calling, and I look forward to seeing how this progresses. You're going back to Utah in June, right? Will I see you there? I,

Sarah Swift 48:48

for sure am. Yes,

Lisa Huff 48:49

I can't wait. So hopefully we're at the same table again. Yes, I hope so. And we can unpack what happened in the last year. Thank you so much for coming on, Sarah. I will have everything, all, Sarah's Instagram, website, all the things li- linked in the show notes. So if you wanna connect with her, if any part of this conversation really landed with you, shoot her a DM, shoot me a DM. That's why we love to just have these conversations, put them out there for people, because it's important. And like us, mentorship has been huge, and we have the calling on our hearts to help serve other people, and it just starts with a conversation. So thank you again for coming on, and thank you everybody for listening to this episode, and I will talk to you all in the next one. Bye.

Sarah Swift 49:25

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